Paradise's 1st Competitive Team

They are going over Damage Calculations for ya
That way you know what move to pick and what Dragons to avoid when using Heatran.

Sorry this needs to said, but who on earth trains a Mence in 252HP???

It's a defensive set of mence, because it has reasonable bulk and makes a good physical staller with access to Toxic, Wish and Roost. Intimidate also cuts the enemy's attack.

I agree with S9. HP Ice over Dragon Pulse because the only place the Dragon Pulse is better is Versus Kingdra, and Milotic / Vaporeon can handle him easily.

Rogue058 wrote:I agree with S9. HP Ice over Dragon Pulse because the only place the Dragon Pulse is better is Versus Kingdra, and Milotic / Vaporeon can handle him easily.

+ Earth power can hit Kingdra, BUT Dragon Pulse does 2hko damage to Latias Spec Defensive, whereas Hpice does less than a 3rd so he sets up in your face and then proceeds to become everything bait(lol) But before that he kills like 2 guys on your team, unless you go blissey, BUT beware psycho shift
HPIce is generally a better idea, but be careful about latias anyways

Arcanist wrote: he sets up in your face and then proceeds to become everything bait(lol)

I think that is when Scizor steps in

I think a Banded BP can do more than 2/3 to a Latias but I might be wrong.. U-Turn works though

Daiko wrote:

Arcanist wrote: he sets up in your face and then proceeds to become everything bait(lol)

I think that is when Scizor steps in

I think a Banded BP can do more than 2/3 to a Latias but I might be wrong.. U-Turn works though

+1 Calm mind surf @ Kill Scizor after Stealth rock
+ Latias runs recover? Oh yeah and +Trick Specs onto scizor = lol scizor
CB latias is fail too but it can trick the cb onto something else later on in the game i suppose

I guess.

But Choice Specs Scizor could be a laugh still

+1 Calm mind surf @ Kill Scizor after Stealth rock
+ Latias runs recover? Oh yeah and +Trick Specs onto scizor = lol scizor
CB latias is fail too but it can trick the cb onto something else later on in the game i suppose

+1 Surf 252SPa Timid Latias vs. Scizor -> 166 - 196 (48.4% - 57.1%)
Bullet Punch vs. 128/0 Timid Latias -> 177 - 208 (53.2% - 62.5%)

If it has a Trick set, it won't have Calm Mind. Also, if it runs trick specs, it helps Heatran by turning HP Ice into a 2HKO, and it won't OHKO with an unboosted surf. if it calm minds in the second turn it goes down on really low health, so scizor can switch in and KO, even if it recovers.

I'd run hp ice over dragon pulse. That way you don't have to worry about any close calls on salamance/dragonite/flygon.

Also, you may consider Vaporeon as a replacement for Milotic.

With Bold nature and ev'd 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Speed it works good.

surf
toxic/ice beam
wish
protect


Wish wouldn't be bad to use to heal members of your team. Plus Vaporeon can take those water attacks aimed at both donphan and heatran.

I've been keeping up with this if anyone was concerned... haha. I plan to revamp my team and post the changes within the next few days.

crimsonstorm wrote:I'd run hp ice over dragon pulse. That way you don't have to worry about any close calls on salamance/dragonite/flygon.

Also, you may consider Vaporeon as a replacement for Milotic.

With Bold nature and ev'd 188 HP / 252 Def / 68 Speed it works good.

surf
toxic/ice beam
wish
protect


Wish wouldn't be bad to use to heal members of your team. Plus Vaporeon can take those water attacks aimed at both donphan and heatran.

How's the coverage for dragons running ice beam on Vaporeon?

Alright a couple things. Currently your team is very weak to gyarados. After a DD Gengar wont be outspeeding it, and milotic cannot handle it. (Crocune will die aswell). take it. I suggest you change your milotic to a vaporeon(Which also handles your ape weakness)

Bold Vaporeon @ leftovers

188 speed / 252 Defense / 68 Speed
- Wish
- Protect
- Surf
- Hidden Power Electric


I also think that you should replace donphan for hippowdon. Sandstorm will be very useful to your team, hippowdon makes a much better physical wall and also packs roar. However if you are dead set on sticking with donphan you can, its not a huge deal but I would still reccomend it.

Also Use dragon pulse over HP Ice on Heatran. It's much better, and the only thing you would need hp ice for is salamence which you can already handle.

Good luck with your team and I hope I helped.